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Old 25-07-2012, 07:34 AM  
Which drum software is best?
Erik Jurado Erik Jurado is offline 25-07-2012, 07:34 AM

Which is easiest and which is cheapest? I have no idea if I should go this way rather than banging my own beats to the cheap sound that my digital drum set makes. I have a Mac, so I'm sure that means 75% of the programs have been eliminated. Any help, advice or experience would be awesome.

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There's more to it than just dropping a midi loop on an ezdrummer track Erik. Make sure the loops sound natural, knock a few hits off the exact beat, listen to drummers and try to emulate what they do. Use ezdrummer as a multitrack instrument and split it up into kick, snare etc. most important is the overheads. Apply compression, eq etc on each tracks to get the best out of the drum samples, just as if it was a proper drum kit. Have a listen to my "heat of the night" for ideas on tone and timing:

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Upgrading to superior drummer would make a big difference too...

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Pretty much comes down to the samples really. If you're using real drum kits not electric drum kits, then you should be able to get a good natural sound. I agree with tony 100% EQ and compression along with reverb can make a beat so much better. I've just got Native Instruments - Abbey Road Vintage Drummer. Awesome drum kits. over 7gig of drums and each drum is easily tuned. I've only had it a few days and very impressed with it. The mixer is really good, all runs in Kontakt player. I may even stop using Battery now and purely just use this.

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Old 28-02-2013, 19:15 PM

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I've been thinking of getting the abbey road drums. You recommend vintage rather than modern Ricky?
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I not used the modern one so can't say. All I know is the vintage is so user friendly and can tune with ease. every kit sounds fantastic
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Old 28-02-2013, 20:39 PM

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Been listening to the demo tracks. They both sound damn good. I can afford one, so I think I'll go for modern.
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I got it from a rep, so got it on the cheap (Copy) no crack needed and didn't have an option of modern. Only paid 20. Well worth it too
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There's more to it than just dropping a midi loop on an ezdrummer track Erik. Make sure the loops sound natural, knock a few hits off the exact beat, listen to drummers and try to emulate what they do. Use ezdrummer as a multitrack instrument and split it up into kick, snare etc. most important is the overheads. Apply compression, eq etc on each tracks to get the best out of the drum samples, just as if it was a proper drum kit. Have a listen to my "heat of the night" for ideas on tone and timing:

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That's all I need to do??? Multitrack? Split it up? Overheads? And then wrestle that damn EQ and compression now for drums? EZdrummer??? UPGRADE??? Maybe I'll just use bongos on every song.

I'll see if I can figure out what you're talking about. First, I'll check out your tune.
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Tell me what DAW you use, and I'll try and guide you through it...
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Did anyone try EZdrummer 2?
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Ah, a topic dear to my heart.

Personally, for live drumming I just use the standard FPC package that comes with Fruity Studio, wired up to an Alesis Perc Pad. Nice and cheap and functional - but it does the job. Applications such as FPC, EZDrummer, Battery etc. are all really just software interfaces that translate your 'notes' played midi drums into a language your DAW can understand. The more expensive ones just have better built-in filters, effects and other various bells and whistles.

In my opinion, making the drums sound 'real' (as opposed to synthetic) isn't just down to the individual one-shot drum samples you use, or even down to the software of VST you play through. It's down to the way you

a) play and record, and
b) the post processing methods you use.

I still have a great deal to learn about this kind of thing, and doubtless some of the more experienced people on here could provide better tips; but I'm actually working hard on the issue of making my own synthetic drums sound a bit more real. My last track used the old fashioned 'gated snare and tom' technique pioneered by Peter Gabriel in the 1980s, and I was actually pretty happy with the result.

But to return to my original point - as a first step, it really makes a difference if you take steps to 'humanise' your drum recordings. Real drums contain all kinds of false or 'ghost' hits, subtle variations in volume, velocity and attack etc. You'll get some of that already if you play your drums live, rather than sequence them - but there's additional steps you can take to bring your recordings to life. I like to edit the recorded drums directly in the piano roll and add ghost notes (i.e. you put a second snare hit right next to the first, but at a much lower velocity, which emulates the method that a stick might bounce after hitting a real snare). I'll also play with the volume and intensity of individual hits on toms, snares etc. It's surprising what a difference doing this can make to your recording.

After that it just comes down to the kinds of compression, filtering, reverb, panning and dynamics processing you put your drum channels through. I like to have each drum on a separate channel in the mix - I don't bounce down - so I have kick, snare, hats, cymbals, toms etc. etc. each on it's own channel, and each with it's own unique set of effects, compression, reverb, filtering etc. The effects and filtering used on the snare channel may be radically different to that used on the kick or toms.

I'll also record various variations and fills, generally around two-four bars in length that I can slot into the mix at suitable locations once the song is almost complete.

Not sure if any of this will help, but there you go
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